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#66041 - 06/08/08 12:16 PM nasa report
btox Offline
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Registered: 06/08/08
Posts: 5
Hey guys, i am a bit skeptic if photoreading works (25k words a minute) how can you defend this report?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_photoreading_work

I tried the dictionairy test (2 times) and tried to 'guess' the position of each word. I got 8 wrong out of 10 \:\(

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#66042 - 06/08/08 02:05 PM Re: nasa report [Re: btox]
Jacktuff13 Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 404
Loc: New York
The dictionary game is just a game, even Paul Scheele said that it doesn't prove anything. It's nothing more than a game to see what happens. Forget about it.

You photoreading at 25 thousand words a minute, you activate at anywhere from 300-20,000 words a minute depending on what you need.
The NASA report supposedly was conducted by the performer anyway, I guess invalidating it right away. They said that the speed of the person using the method was 100 something words a minute? How is that even possible?
It's been debunked many times on the forum, so go search.

It's very easy to say that Photoreading doesn't work, but it's also very easy to make photoreading work for you, or rather, it's very easy for YOU to put your MIND to work. Continue with the program, forget about the dictionary game, and you'll see results.

Stay playful, don't go looking to disprove the Photoreading system's credibility, because if you try, then you're own experiences will suffer.

-JackTuff13

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#66048 - 06/09/08 03:17 AM Re: nasa report [Re: Jacktuff13]
btox Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 06/08/08
Posts: 5
Hello Jacktuff13, thanks for your reply.
I totally agree with you that people first try to find discouriging 'facts' about these relative vage techniques.

And so do i. But I also tried to find real good testimonials. (and not the ones one commerical sites like these)

I see people who put allot of effort in it but with no real results (like photoreading claims) hearning this it is hard for me to motivate myself.

My question for the people on this forum who has bought the product:

- what was your first 'photoreading/activating' experience, and how long does it took to get there. (when i have this experience then i know it works, at this moment i am randomly guessing the possible outcome)

- How is your progress doing?

- How long did it take to fully use photoreading. (fully means, when i give you a 200 page novel, you will have 1 hour to photoread/activiate it and you will have a 95% accuracy question hit ratio afterwards \:\)

- Is photoreading for everyone? When i try this for 1 month and haven't got any results i know i haven't got a good photographic memory (which i haven't)?

- What is your progress at school/work now you can photoread?

Thank you. Sorry for being skeptic \:\) I just like to know the line between the marketing for this product and the real product/results.

For the people who really can photoread, respect!

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#66054 - 06/09/08 09:31 AM Re: nasa report [Re: btox]
Yukala Offline
Member

Registered: 04/18/08
Posts: 461
Loc: Washington State
Hi, been PhotoReading for a few months.

I have PhotoRead some 65,000+ pages of material. I do not PhotoRead every day, more in spurts.

It works very well for me in crashing the learning curve with new software. It works for me very well in spelling, word recognition and meaning. It works very well for 'removing' the reading 'load'.

I believe and this is subjective that it improves my 'intuitional knowing' the ideas and subjects I have PhotoRead.

I look forward to more spurts. I do not 'feel' like doing it all the time however, as I sense a kind of 'info' overload. I feel very real need to 'gestate' after say the first 150 books or so.

I learned it in 10 days. I paid strict attention to the exercises and did them 3-5 times a day for those 10 days. In the second month I mastered PhotoReading on the computer screen. It is different to me and was more arduous.

I highly recommend you persist. Meditative skills are also important.

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#66086 - 06/11/08 06:56 AM Re: nasa report [Re: Yukala]
Alex K. Viefhaus Offline
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Registered: 03/18/04
Posts: 6033
Loc: Australia

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#66144 - 06/13/08 02:59 PM Re: nasa report [Re: Alex K. Viefhaus]
Vincent_Tso Offline
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Registered: 10/07/07
Posts: 78
Loc: Hong Kong
I truely think someone should change the article. Specially the one in wikipedia, as if u search PR and the first thing you get is wikipedia and the wikipedia direct u to see the stupid invalid report. A person doesn't know anything about the brain will properly accept the report (E.g my friend, he has been telling me that PR doesn't work since he saw the report, I will proof to him that PR DO WORK in the future when I master the skill) at the first look and doesn't know that the report is invalid. I think now a days, school should make NLP or brain study a require subject in GCSE at least.


Edited by Vincent_Tso (06/13/08 03:01 PM)

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#66448 - 07/03/08 07:58 AM Re: nasa report [Re: Yukala]
hubert Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/02/08
Posts: 4

I highly recommend you persist. Meditative skills are also important. [/quote]

What are meditative skills and how can i use it to my advantage my goal in photoreading is to get to computer speed and very quick activation

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#66457 - 07/03/08 11:54 AM Re: nasa report [Re: hubert]
Yukala Offline
Member

Registered: 04/18/08
Posts: 461
Loc: Washington State
Hi hubert!

I get this question about meditation frequently. Much about it, I suppose is written, spoken and taught, especially over time.

It is first a 'conditioning' which until some achievement there is no real-life 'use' of meditation.

A simple example:

Close your eyes...
Go as a fantasy to a safe place 'for you'. Use good symbols, like gently moving water, green solitary trees, long green grass, bright beautiful flowers, a cobble trail, soft moss as a place of repose... hear some birds singing, the water trickling, get lost to it...

Go there with code:

Rest,
Relax
Reach-out
Let go
Peace
So I AM...

Repeat this trigger as you lose yourself to the sound of birds, gently moving water, the smell of fresh air, and the scent of flowers.

The mantra 'code' must be tied to the visual dream or fantasy in a easy gentle manner.

Sit relaxed for 3-5 minutes, utilize slowed breathing on the way in and out.

This conditioning could be done 100 times in the course of 30 days or three+ times a day for 30 days.

After which you leave it for a week.

Then, next when you want to use it for an activity;

...like take an important exam,
PhotoRead, activate etc.
general study and problem solving

Close you eyes and repeat the code, or mantra above and only briefly smell a flower or reach out and touch the tree or moss. Then go to work.

There is no use of a skill for any purpose until the 'skill' of itself is first and foremost established within as your own fact or experience.

Most sincerely,

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#66589 - 07/10/08 08:38 AM Re: nasa report [Re: Yukala]
Alex K. Viefhaus Offline
Learning Strategies Admin
Member

Registered: 03/18/04
Posts: 6033
Loc: Australia
A meditative state is a flow state where you are focused on the process at hand. To get that focus there are techniques you can do like those from the Silva Method which Yakala listed. Or just follow along with the home study course where Paul guides you into the Accelerated Learning State

AlexK

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#66596 - 07/10/08 10:50 AM Re: nasa report [Re: Alex K. Viefhaus]
Yukala Offline
Member

Registered: 04/18/08
Posts: 461
Loc: Washington State
Interesting, though I have heard the name Silva, never studied about it. I picked the process up from other sources back when, twenty-five years ago.

\:\)

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